Because of a new team of moderators and a new forum, we've decided to start a new Feedback thread.

Questions? Suggestions? Constructive criticism? Feel free to post your comments, but please be civil (and consider that the staff could well have a Members Feedback Thread, as well! ).

Okay I'll start. With all due respect, I think you guys could loosen the reins a little bit in general. I've been on WoO for over three years and this is the strictest it's ever been. I think it would be easier and more fun for everyone if you (general you) kept enforcing the rules, but rethought some of them and loosened up.

You guys can't sit here and expect us to "POOF" be able to break old habits. We're trying and I think that is VERY clear so give us a little bit of credit. We are in the habit of saying these things and sometimes we say them without thinking and then a whole thread gets closed. We're human, we make mistakes so let us learn and get into this new groove please.

^That is very understandable and we will keep that in mind.

But please also remember to reread your posts before you submit them to double check yourself. We really aren't out to spoil your fun - we'd like to help you adjust to the new enforcement of the rules, so if you have questions about something you want to post, please feel free to PM any of us!

Jess, we do know that the rules are stricter, but we have to enforce them every few years just to make sure all members are reminded of them. Bootlegs have more recently been discussed openly, along with them being in avatars and signatures. There have also been clear provoking of other members and plain rude comments.
We're not denying that they exist. Just that This forum has been warned before, and we don't want WoO shut down for good.

Once we see that members understand the rules, we will be a bit more lenient about some of the rules.

However, malicious attacks will still be deleted and dealt with seriously.

Awesome, that's what I was hoping for.

I have a comment, going the other direction (the aforementioned "member feedback" nonthread): it would be nice if members, in general, learned how to use PM judiciously instead of airing every little disagreement on the boards for the whole world to see. Seriously, if you have a problem with a member, take it to PM FIRST. If you can't settle it or it becomes a bigger problem, PM a staff member. A LOT of the problems on the boards could be fixed if people spoke privately instead of sniping at one another while others settle back with a box of virtual popcorn to watch the show, or joined in on one side or the other. Just think about how often you've seen people become offended by something someone else has posted, only to discover that it was all a misunderstanding, and then other people find they've involved themselves in a problem that never really existed in the first place!

DO you guys really think that it is nessary to have all of the Performer thread locked in the Hall Of Fame? That isn't what the Hall Of Fame is for. As a dedicated member of The Gerswhin Threater Parking Garage Tent People, I think that tha hall of fame needs to be respected. It's for the members of those groups to look back at the threads and remember, not sort thrught useless thread that have no reason to be in the Hall Of Fame.

Edit: And most of them are less than a page.

any suggestions of where they could go then?

Some people might want to look over the performance analysis threads and by having them in the hall of fame everyone can still view them as a point of reference or what not.
your thread has been closed for over a year now, as a certain good witch might say 'let it go'

Every thread needs to be respected

I think the problem is is that alot of the new mods have no idea why the Hall of Fame is so important to us older members. You guys weren't even here when that was going on.

I don't think that they should be in the Hall of Fame when most of them are less than a page. Put them in a nother foum in the Wicked Musical section, isn't that what it is for?

Please note that the HOF is also used for retired threads.

True dat! (idc about arguing, for future reference, but Kels made a gooood stand-alone point, half of you guys don't even KNOW the fun we used to have! ahaha.

Guys...just save a link to your thread to the favorites or something. Having a bunch of new threads pop up doesn't mean yours will disappear. It's still around for you to reread and what not.

Yes, but doesn't that thing you qouted ALSO say.

"And are great enough"

I truely don't see how those thread are great enough to be in the Hall of Fame....

As a 'new mod' I would just like to say I definitely understand why its important to you. Ana's Twitchy Fingers, Ana's X Treme Pole Vaulting Team.... Yeah I was a big part of those.

And there are a few others I think, like the Steph Fingers Thread that I also participated in.

So no, its not like the new mods don't get why its important to you.

We're trying to keep WoO clutter-free. Having a gazillion performer analysis threads is not how we achieve that.

just cause we're 'new mods' doesn't mean we're new members...i've been here for nearly 2 years now, i know those threads, i read most of them but i never participated cause i never felt i could.
but hey, thats by the by.

See, I totally know what you mean, but cluttering up the Hall of Fame isn't solving the problem. Why don't you guys create a subfourm for those threads in the Wicked fourm?

It's too narrow a field for subforums. Subforums are for things like different productions of WICKED, or all of the fanfic written by members, and so forth....

A Hall of Fame is traditionally not only a way of honoring greatness but also of looking back at things in the past, so that IS where these threads belong. We might, however, have subforums in the HOF for "great" threads versus "retired" ones. That would keep things organized and honor the intent of the "famed" threads.

EDIT: Done. I've also moved all the threads to their new homes. Now, if the HOF is truly to be a place of honor, the members will need to keep them worthy of staying there. (In fact, we may need to take a look at some of the closed HOF threads and move them to the Retired section.)

I would like to point out that just because we are 'new mods' doesn't mean we're new members. I've been on here (and active) for 3 years (my anniversary is on the 11th). I was, also, very involved in the Hall of Fame (Steph's Fingers thread and for a short while the GPGTPT), and even in the creation of it.

The HoF is intended for retired threads AND active threads. Having the performer analysis threads in the HoF will not prevent you from accessing your threads.

NO, I am not stupid, the intent of my comment was not to say that ALL of the mods are new members, but a few are.

As an exmember of the GTPGTP and other mega threads, I do understand where you're coming from, Kels.

Would a subforum for the Performer Analysis threads be a good compromise?

It's set up into 2 categories:
The Thread Hall of Fame
"These threads are or were great enough to become a part of WoO history in our very own Hall of Fame."
and Retired Threads.
http://www.witchesofoz.com/wicked_boards/i...hp?showforum=16

And just to reiterate, guys - We are here to make this forum better. Suggestions, such as this, and the Performer analysis thread ARE taken into consideration when presented maturely. If you have any other suggestions, kindly write them here, or PM an administrator and you will be heard. We are not on the boards 24/7, but if you don't hear back in 3 days, try again. (Sometimes PMs get lost in the system)

Thank you.

Question: Why was Megan's Pink Glow Stick Society locked? I saw nothing wrong in it. And why is it in the retired section with the analysis threads. I think it should reopen, so we can talk about Megan's final week in Wicked and 9 to 5.
http://www.witchesofoz.com/wicked_boards/i...&start=5740

I was also wondering as to why it was locked...

I think there should be some type of subforum within each Wicked location forum for reviews. I think it would really clean up the forum, especially since they're so dated and have hundreds of pages. I guess it's my organizational ocd thing, but I think it'd make the site look much better. I'd also suggest a clean up of topics from two or more years ago.

It has been reopened and placed in the main WoO Memoirs Forum.

I agree. Funny how I'm OCD about stuff online and a complete slob in real life.

By "clean up" do you mean "deletion"? WICKED just had its fifth anniversary; deleting reviews more than two years old would mean losing the reviews from the first three years it was open (which means Broadway would pick up with Julia/Kendra/Sebastian, I think, and Tour would pick up with Victoria/Christina/Cliffton, right?). No reviews of the OBC or OTC, for example, would exist.

This is one of the positive things about having just a certain number of posts appear on a page; the old stuff gets pushed farther and farther back, for less clutter, but it IS still searchable.

Alright, I don't know where to put this but whatever.

Some random creeper IMed me, someone from this site, saying that someone posted AIM names in the random thread. This "concerned citizen" said she wanted to warn me that people might start IMing me...randomly, like she did.

Was there a post deleted in the random thread with peoples AIM names, or what the hell?!

Ummm not that I'm aware of. And I've been here for an hour or so.

I'll go look at the deleted posts...

Sorry if it's in the wrong thread, I don't know where to put it.

This is creepy. So far three DoG members have gotten IMs from the scary.

Nope, nothing that I have seen any other mods deleted. Probably just someone bored at school or something. But let us know if it keeps up.

First the person claimed to be one member, and now she is saying she's not.

Oh, and apparently "i got some people on the inside at WoO".

Are your AIM names here the same as your AIM ones there?

Sounds like a bored student in a boring class.

I've had people do that to me too.

They are probably around here someplace, but we haven't posted them recently.

And we all have completely different usernames on DoG.

And what is Ninja Mode?

I just went on my profile and noticed my AIM was still on there. I took it off. Thanks for the reminder of sorts.

This child a) thinks I'm a mod for some reason (ahahaha) and was being obnoxious earlier, my AIM may be on here but she's not just 'found it', she's obvs gone looking for it.

Hmmm... ok Daisy. Just keep us updated and if they persist maybe we can do something. Its scary these days just who is on forums and such.

She thinks I banned her, lmao. I'm pretty mean for playing it up, but she had a go at me and she bloody deserved it.

'Apparently' this person goes by Tayzer on WoO.

Well its obviously someone not very 'up to date' with the mods and admins. Sounds like a child to me.

I get that, but there are so many repeat and useless topics that have one reply to them. Like this for example. I know it's a lot of work but a little declutter I think wouldn't go amiss.

Sorry, but that's not Tayzer. I'm willing to bet that she doesn't even know what's going on.

Although I agree that deleting out old threads would cause us to miss out on some good topics and conversations from earlier times on the site, I do understand what you mean in case of examples like the one posted above. The good news is, thread maintenance does occur.

First, on a consistant basis, we work to have at least the first three pages of each forum and subforum clean. That means making sure that all rules are being followed and redundant threads are dealt with as best as possible, to keep current topics as user-friendly as possible. Also, on occassion, some general maintenance of old threads do occur. For example, when sorting through all the Fanification Celebration threads this week to create subforums, I did find some threads that were really pointless (aka, years-old threads that never had a reply, or the now moot point of "Hey guys, I'll be on vacation next week, talk to you soon!" that may have been posted two years ago). So stuff that has absolutely no relevance was removed to keep down clutter.

So although the site is not entirely decluttered of the kinds of posts you mentioned, do know that some level of maintenance does occur to keep the board somewhat cleaned up.

I just got home to read this and just IMed Kate about the creeper situation. If anyone else has any information, please IM me. Thanks!

Arggh, sorry, that didn't make any sense!

Let me try again:

If you list your AIM name on WoO, and list the same AIM name on another forum, even if you use another username on that forum, it's still possible to figure out who you are because your AIM name is the same. I don't know whether you even list AIM names on DoG, but if you do, whoever this creeper is might have looked at them and then looked on WoO to see if he or she can match them up.

Does that make sense?

Ick. I hate it when people play power games like that.... I know lessthanthree's already said this, but if we can help, let us know.

Thanks, we appreciate it. I think we pretty much have it straightened out.

Hmm... I don't think a forum should be locked on the grounds/basis that it has the potential to become a problem. If the mods keep up with that mindset, this entire forum should be deleted. Just a quick thought.

I agree, and I still think the "five words" rule is ridiculous.

Alright, let me take a stab at responding to both of those

I assume the first comment is in reference to the "ban the person above you" thread. This thread is in fact incredibly similar to the "Game: The One Above" thread, except that it has a more negative connotation. Looking at all the comments in the closed thread, they could have just as easily been used in the established "Game: The One Above" thread.

And in response to the five word rule, the point of it is to limit spamming and pointless posts. If it's a valid point, even if it's less than five words, the post is generally left alone.

Yes, I'm agreeing with both of what Ash has said.

With the 'Ban the One Above game' it was the admins who decided it should be locked. In my opinion it just gives more reason for members to bash each other, if trying to be 'nice about it.' The thread wasn't bad when it was locked but it could have went in that direction at any time. The last thing we want is a fight to break out and members getting hurt.

As for the 'five word rule' typically if your post is legitimate and is only 2 or 3 words it is usually left alone. And its understandable that you can answer a post in 4 words or less. But I do try and at least make it 5 words. If you are only posting to say 'thank you' or 'yes' you could easily do that in a PM to the person as well.