Jennifer
Apr 8 2010, 04:57 AM
QUOTE(WickedinNews @ Apr 7 2010, 02:00 PM)

Are we still 100% Sure that San Francisco is closing? It could be possible that if the summer tourist season goes good, it could end up staying, atleast till 2011, if that works. I see it opening back up in Chicago a couple of months/years after the 1nt stop. Chicago seemed to be the only place that could hold great sales, even at the weakest moments. Or back to LA, but I don't see that happening seeing as new seasons have been announced for all theaters there.
Idk, many people said that it is closing on Sep. 5, and I also heard that the producers only planned it to run until Sep. of this year, but I also heard people saying that it might extend. I mean, everytime I go it's pretty much sold out.
Fritz
Apr 8 2010, 11:45 AM
I think that if tickets go well, they might extend; as of now; however, the planned ending date is September 5.
WickedinNews
Apr 25 2010, 06:22 PM
Now that San Fran is set to close (September 5th) wonder where it will newly reside.
OnceUponaTime
Apr 25 2010, 06:26 PM
QUOTE(WickedinNews @ Apr 7 2010, 02:00 PM)

Are we still 100% Sure that San Francisco is closing? It could be possible that if the summer tourist season goes good, it could end up staying, atleast till 2011, if that works. I see it opening back up in Chicago a couple of months/years after the 1nt stop. Chicago seemed to be the only place that could hold great sales, even at the weakest moments. Or back to LA, but I don't see that happening seeing as new seasons have been announced for all theaters there.
Yes it is certain...
FixatedOnVerdigris
Apr 25 2010, 06:46 PM
QUOTE(WickedinNews @ Apr 7 2010, 02:00 PM)

Are we still 100% Sure that San Francisco is closing? It could be possible that if the summer tourist season goes good, it could end up staying, atleast till 2011, if that works. I see it opening back up in Chicago a couple of months/years after the 1nt stop. Chicago seemed to be the only place that could hold great sales, even at the weakest moments. Or back to LA, but I don't see that happening seeing as new seasons have been announced for all theaters there.
West Side Story is at the Orpheum in December... And SHN also announced it. Last time I went the last like five or six rows of the orchestra were empty.
Fritz
Apr 25 2010, 07:32 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if this is it...or if we get a 3NT. But I think Toronto should get it...Levy/Daradich/Dromard please.
wickedfan7
Apr 25 2010, 07:37 PM
QUOTE(Fritz @ Apr 25 2010, 07:32 PM)

I wouldn't be surprised if this is it...or if we get a 3NT. But I think Toronto should get it...Levy/Daradich/Dromard please.
I really dont think they will have 3 tours going at once. Thats a little much. But i wouldnt be sureprised if it went to toronto or if it went to back to LA or re-open a company in chicago after the December January run.
Fritz
Apr 25 2010, 07:52 PM
Well, I know Annie had 3 tours at once and I believe Phantom did as well? So I wouldn't be too shocked though I too agree it'd be a bit much.
FixatedOnVerdigris
Apr 26 2010, 04:15 AM
I think Nicolas should go to the 2NT

Natalie and Vicki and him are all amazing together
TheWesternSkies
Apr 26 2010, 08:39 PM
I second having Wicked return to So Cal.....preferably San Diego!!! I lived there for 10 years and Im moving back this summer.....having wicked there would be awesome!
inick1224
Apr 26 2010, 08:42 PM
QUOTE(TheWesternSkies @ Apr 26 2010, 04:39 PM)

I second having Wicked return to So Cal.....preferably San Diego!!! I lived there for 10 years and Im moving back this summer.....having wicked there would be awesome!
I think Toronto will be the only choice, you almost never hear of sit-downs anywhere else. Maybe Orlando.
ActingDude17
Apr 26 2010, 08:51 PM
Wicked isn't every show. A 3NT would not surprise me at all.
Robert Upland
Apr 27 2010, 12:13 AM
QUOTE
I think Toronto will be the only choice, you almost never hear of sit-downs anywhere else. Maybe Orlando.
Orlando would be awesome. I only live 30 minutes away
Elphie T.
Apr 27 2010, 12:40 AM
QUOTE(ActingDude17 @ Apr 26 2010, 04:51 PM)

Wicked isn't every show. A 3NT would not surprise me at all.
Phantom and Annie are/were much bigger shows than Wicked. I really don't think we'll see a 3NT.
Fritz
Apr 27 2010, 01:02 AM
^ Do you think so? I've heard people compare Wicked's success to both - and particularly Phantom's.
Elphie T.
Apr 27 2010, 01:26 AM
QUOTE(Fritz @ Apr 26 2010, 09:02 PM)

^ Do you think so? I've heard people compare Wicked's success to both - and particularly Phantom's.
I agree that Wicked is huge and who knows, maybe it'll last as long as both of those shows. To have 3 tours running, though, is a little much considering that the 1NT has been running for 5 years now, and the fact that we have a 2NT covering the "smaller" venues. There have already been so many return engagements to many cities, so it seems that a very large number of people have seen the show. What I'm trying to say is that why would there be a need to launch another tour?
WickedinNews
Apr 27 2010, 01:48 AM
If they added a 3rd tour, I wouldn't really mind, as long as it wasn't cheapened.
Wickedly*Defying*Gravity
Apr 27 2010, 01:57 AM
My best bets: Orlando or Toronto (or maybe a return to LA/SD or Chicago in the future)
crazyaboutwicked
Apr 27 2010, 02:36 AM
They could definitaley do a 3NT. possibly for longer engagements? I couldn't see them doing well in Orlando (just a gut feeling) , and if they go there I would think it would last maybe a year. Toronto could be successful, but isnt the tour coming soon? Unless they do what Chicago did and open a couple weeks after the tour production leaves.
degeorgetitanic
Apr 27 2010, 02:47 AM
WICKED is DEF. just as big as POTO and Annie. I have asked people who are not "Broadway" fans if they heard of WICKED and all have replied yes. At this point, it's prob just as big as Annie, and I would not doubt soon it will be big as POTO.
I think the 3rd National Tour choice is possible, but I think it's going to be more of a moving sit down, if that makes sense. The LA production moved to SF, after around the same run durations, so like maybe it would go like this
San Diago- 1 year
Las Vegas- 1 year
Orlando- 1 year
Just a thought, I dont think they are going to open a tour that goes to a new city every couple of weeks, the two tours are doing a fine job of covering their bases.
Elphie T.
Apr 27 2010, 02:48 AM
I just don't see it, at least not anytime soon. It took about 4 years to open a 2nd tour. Why would they jump into a 3rd? I honestly think that we're not going to see it happen.
Wickedly*Defying*Gravity
Apr 27 2010, 02:56 AM
I'd love for them transfer the SF sets and make a slightly shorter but more amazing Las Vegas version! I think that'd be perfect!
Ballyhoo
Apr 27 2010, 03:23 AM
QUOTE(crazyaboutwicked @ Apr 26 2010, 10:36 PM)

They could definitaley do a 3NT. possibly for longer engagements? I couldn't see them doing well in Orlando (just a gut feeling) , and if they go there I would think it would last maybe a year. Toronto could be successful, but isnt the tour coming soon? Unless they do what Chicago did and open a couple weeks after the tour production leaves.
The tour is coming soon. Just about a 6 week engagement from October 20th (in Toronto, Canon Theatre presumably). What's different about the tour this time was that the first time it was subscription, the second time it was subscription bonus, and now engagement #3 it's completely off-subscription. What people are saying is that after this time around, most people will have seen it who want to. I think if they are considering a Tdot sitdown, then this is to gauge interest.
Anyway, it wouldn't be moving in Chicago-style. A certain number of performers would need to be Canadian in the cast (eventually) and so that could be a big overhaul. If anything, a sitdown would begin sometime in 2011. I honestly don't see where it could fit in, though, what with our own sitdowns of Billy Elliot (open ended from Feb. 2011, APPARENTLY a Chicago transfer), Rock of Ages (open ended from May...17th I believe? They're in previews), The Secret Garden (begins March 2011) and Sweet Charity (also March 2011), what with Mirvish only having 4 theatres I don't think that Wicked would necessarily fit. We also know that we're getting quite a few tours coming in for the 2011 season and there's always that Catch Me if you Can pre-Bway tryout rumour floating around (<3). Just thinking logically, since Wicked has played the Canon the past 3 times and that's generally what's used as the 'touring house' (sometimes also the Princess of Wales)...sure it's always a possibility, but it seems we here in Broadway North are getting packed pretty tight as of late.
Elphie T.
Apr 27 2010, 03:29 AM
QUOTE(degeorgetitanic @ Apr 26 2010, 10:47 PM)

WICKED is DEF. just as big as POTO and Annie.
When Wicked celebrates its 20th anniversary, then you can safely say that. I doubt it will reach that point.
ForGood
Apr 27 2010, 03:54 AM
I think it will. It's a big phenomenon even among casual theatre-goers. Almost everone I've talked to about Wicked had at least heard of it.
Fritz
Apr 27 2010, 11:18 AM
And Annie never celebrated a 20th...it was revived on Broadway then but only initally lasted slightly less than six years.
degeorgetitanic
Apr 27 2010, 07:24 PM
What makes you think it's not going to last Elphie T?
It's making a large amount of money (topping grosses) even without star power
The tours are selling more then just amazingly
I think it's safe to assume it will make it...
*knock on wood*
Elphie T.
Apr 27 2010, 08:12 PM
^ Don't get me wrong, I think the show screams success (it's also my favorite). I just see the hype dying out in the future. Who knows, I could be very wrong. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens. And Fritz: I was referring to Phantom making it over 20 years, not Annie. Sorry for not clarifying.
degeorgetitanic
Apr 28 2010, 02:16 AM
I get what your saying haha, but every show, even POTO was very hyped about for it's first few years, and eventually died down but still did, and does very well...WICKED has been here since 2003, and it is still the hottest ticket, so yea it will eventually die down, but I think it will keep going haha again knock on wood
Elphie T.
Apr 28 2010, 02:23 AM
QUOTE(degeorgetitanic @ Apr 27 2010, 10:16 PM)

I get what your saying haha, but every show, even POTO was very hyped about for it's first few years, and eventually died down but still did, and does very well...WICKED has been here since 2003, and it is still the hottest ticket, so yea it will eventually die down, but I think it will keep going haha again knock on wood
Well we can only hope! I'd love to see Wicked run as long (or even longer) than POTO.
WickedinNews
Apr 28 2010, 08:50 PM
If any show is predicted to run as long(er) than POTO, it's SURELY Wicked.
Back on Topic. The only place I see them heading next is Las Vegas. Orlando would be great, but the 1st tour is already going there in 2011 (Feb-March) and Wicked has never visited Vegas yet. I am sure it will head there next. What about New Orleans? Wasn't that rumored for a while?
Fritz
Apr 28 2010, 09:27 PM
It was, but I really doubt if it'll ever happen.
WickedinNews
May 9 2010, 05:36 PM
QUOTE(Fritz @ Apr 28 2010, 09:27 PM)

It was, but I really doubt if it'll ever happen.
There really has been no speculation of the show heading somewhere else in awhile, after San Fran closes. San Francisco was announced when LA was a couple of months before closing. I think it's safe to say that this production of Wicked will close out? Or perhaps move over seas somewhere.
inick1224
May 9 2010, 11:31 PM
QUOTE(WickedinNews @ May 9 2010, 01:36 PM)

There really has been no speculation of the show heading somewhere else in awhile, after San Fran closes. San Francisco was announced when LA was a couple of months before closing. I think it's safe to say that this production of Wicked will close out? Or perhaps move over seas somewhere.
That was my first thought, granted if Toronto wouldn't happen. I think they have saturated the U.S. with the show in all major areas of the U.S. With two tours running around... I think a new U.S. production would fair as well as Chicago, L.A. or S.F. I'm not happy about it was real as it may be.
WickedinNews
May 10 2010, 01:26 AM
I personally just see the set being sent over seas to begin an Austrailian Tour or European Tour. What about a Mexican production? If WICKED goes to another city in the U.S, it should be one that could support it, and run for many years and not just a year and a half or like San Francisco. I also think it would be cool if Wicked did a series of 6-month engagements across the US in cities that could support it for ATLEAST 6 months. Such as Boston, Houston, Pittsburgh, Chicago, Los Angeles, Miami, etc, etc.
inick1224
May 10 2010, 01:37 AM
QUOTE(WickedinNews @ May 9 2010, 09:26 PM)

I personally just see the set being sent over seas to begin an Austrailian Tour or European Tour. What about a Mexican production? If WICKED goes to another city in the U.S, it should be one that could support it, and run for many years and not just a year and a half or like San Francisco. I also think it would be cool if Wicked did a series of 6-month engagements across the US in cities that could support it for ATLEAST 6 months. Such as Boston, Houston, Pittsburgh, Chicago, Los Angeles, Miami, etc, etc.
One thing I feel very prominent is the recession. I mean when Phantom had all of these productions, the U.S. was made of disposable income and that is not necessary a thing of the past but... theatre is too expensive for some people. The tour serves as a local production in each city and the amount of time in each city is based on the audience reliability.
Elphie T.
May 10 2010, 01:39 AM
QUOTE(WickedinNews @ May 9 2010, 09:26 PM)

I personally just see the set being sent over seas to begin an Austrailian Tour or European Tour. What about a Mexican production? If WICKED goes to another city in the U.S, it should be one that could support it, and run for many years and not just a year and a half or like San Francisco. I also think it would be cool if Wicked did a series of 6-month engagements across the US in cities that could support it for ATLEAST 6 months. Such as Boston, Houston, Pittsburgh, Chicago, Los Angeles, Miami, etc, etc.
I understand where you're coming from, but I personally think it would be pointless to have those kinds of engagements. Either the tours, or a sit-down should suffice for a particular city.
WickedinNews
May 10 2010, 01:41 AM
QUOTE(inick1224 @ May 10 2010, 01:37 AM)

One thing I feel very prominent is the recession. I mean when Phantom had all of these productions, the U.S. was made of disposable income and that is not necessary a thing of the past but... theatre is too expensive for some people. The tour serves as a local production in each city and the amount of time in each city is based on the audience reliability.
Recession or no recession, people are drawn to "eye candy" and WICKED is just that. WICKED is the "Big Thing" right now and people will try to see it atleast once when it comes to town. New Orlean's run was sold out at every performance, and it was here for a month. Our city census is like, 300,000. Not much. I'm sure a larger city like Houston or Dallas (Which has a pop. of 1 million or higher) could hold the show for a good several months.
Elphie T.
May 10 2010, 01:46 AM
To add to what I said: Sit-down productions cost a LOT of money. Why would they spend so much money for something that would only be there for about 6 months? It doesn't make sense financially.
WickedinNews
May 10 2010, 01:53 AM
Could Las Vegas hold a sit down?
Elphie T.
May 10 2010, 01:56 AM
QUOTE(WickedinNews @ May 9 2010, 09:53 PM)

Could Las Vegas hold a sit down?
I could see it working out for a while.
WickedinNews
May 10 2010, 02:02 AM
QUOTE(Elphie T. @ May 10 2010, 01:56 AM)

I could see it working out for a while.
I don't know why people think Orlando could hold it. Yes, Disney and etc are there. However, most people that go to Orlando are just tourists with specified dates set for disney/universal/seaworld/ etc.
Elphie T.
May 10 2010, 02:06 AM
QUOTE(WickedinNews @ May 9 2010, 10:02 PM)

I don't know why people think Orlando could hold it. Yes, Disney and etc are there. However, most people that go to Orlando are just tourists with specified dates set for disney/universal/seaworld/ etc.
I live a few hours away from Orlando, and only go there maybe once a year. I don't see it happening...ever.
WickedinNews
May 10 2010, 02:13 AM
QUOTE(Elphie T. @ May 10 2010, 02:06 AM)

I live a few hours away from Orlando, and only go there maybe once a year. I don't see it happening...ever.
I used to live a few hours from Orlando too, well in Broward County, and my grandparents live in Orlando. Where they live...it's embarassing. It's country hicks and old retirement villages..EVERYWHERE. Yes, there is obviously things to do in Orlando, but 20 minutes outside of everything, there is virtually nothing but ghost towns. No, I'm serious
quackgirl
May 10 2010, 02:14 AM
I think Wicked has had a good run in SF. Yes Phantom was here for five years, but times are different now. (Phantom was also in LA way longer than Wicked was in LA). It’s too soon for a Vegas production, given that they’ve had a Wicked sit-down production on the West Coast since 2007. I think three tours might be oversaturation. Is it too soon for a UK Tour?
WickedinNews
May 10 2010, 02:24 AM
From what I understand, shows generally only go on tour in the UK after the show closes in the West End. Which virtually, won't happen for a couple years, if it happens at all. But the demand for Wicked is high. I don't think a UK tour would be good, but a european tour with some UK tour dates would be good.
imaginarypeanut
May 10 2010, 06:31 AM
A few UK shows manage to sustain both a West End production and a tour... We Will Rock You did it last year (and are doing it again this year), and Les Mis are currently doing one too. I think Wicked would probably be able to do a tour in addition to the West End production if they wanted to.
WickedinNews
May 10 2010, 08:37 PM
I'd like to see that. However, I find it hard to picture no new sit-down in the U.S. after San Francisco closes out. Guess we will know soon enough.
WickedinNews
Jul 4 2010, 06:20 AM
now that Jersey Boys is set to close in Toronto August 22nd, 2010. Is a Wicked sit-down more likely? Obviously after the 1st tour leaves, haha.
quackgirl
Aug 2 2010, 05:20 PM
Just recently got confirmation that the San Francisco set cannot tour (unless the stops are long-termish). It took three wees to load it in, and will take two to load out and restore the theatre.
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